John P. Bryson
Hello and welcome to the Portfolio Intelligence Podcast. Today is April 10th, 2025, and I'm your host, John Bryson, head of Investment Consulting and education savings at wait for It. Manulife John Hancock Investment Management. That's right. We've rebranded here at John Hancock for the last 20 years John Hancock, we've been a proud member of the Manulife organization. Rebranding reflects our commitment to leverage the global strength and scale of Manulife while continuing to deliver the exceptional service and investment options advisors and their clients have come to expect from us. As Manulife John Hancock Investments, our clients benefit from our extensive resources and insight into global capital markets as one of the largest wealth and asset management companies in the world, with more than 875 billion in assets, serving 19 million investors across five continents.

As you know, our multi manager platform enables us to offer a broad investment capabilities ranging from fixed income to equities to alternatives to private assets delivered through a diverse suite of products, providing flexibility to tailored investment solutions based on our clients’ needs. But most importantly, we remain dedicated to providing exceptional service, partnering with advisors to help solve investment challenges, and offering award-winning practice management programs, and investment consulting services.

One of the services we provide is bringing great and timely insights to you. So I've invited Matt Miskin, our co Chief investment Strategist here at Manulife John Hancock Investments, to the podcast to talk about what's going on in the world today. Matt, welcome to the podcast.

Matthew D. Miskin
Thanks for having me, John.

John P. Bryson
You got it. Hey, besides the new brand, anything going on in the investment world, do you think we should talk about it?

Matthew D. Miskin
Yeah, a lot of … a lot of moving parts, a lot to talk about. And I'm happy to be here with you to discuss it.

John P. Bryson
Yeah. I'm going to jump right in and talk about tariffs. Like I said, it's April 10. The situation is fluid. But what is the latest?

Matthew D. Miskin
So, the latest is that we have seen a pause … a 90-day pause on retaliation of tariffs. There is still a lot of unknowns here. Policy is changing nearly daily. But what we've seen is that China tariffs are still very elevated. Those have not come down. But what we have seen is other countries have seen a reduction in tariffs all in because China is such or … is seeing such high tariffs.

The tariff rate as now, as of now is still very high in a historical context. So, with equity or just the market response to all this, so we have seen, you know, a drawdown of nearly 20% in the S&P 500. It then rose about 10%, on the news of a delay of the tariffs. And we are now, seeing a bit of choppiness here.

But so, a positive development and that there's a delay, there's some softening of the trade war. Yet, there is still this big unknown as it relates to China and how this evolves in the coming days, weeks and months.

John P. Bryson
That’s it will have to stay tuned with that. I know you're going to be putting out a lot of information on our website and LinkedIn to keep people posted. But let's continue the conversation. I want to talk about the impact that this can have on inflation because we know that's a big driver of investor behavior and expectations. What kind of impact do you foresee this, having short term, medium term, long term on inflation.

Matthew D. Miskin
So if the tariffs are set in stone, which that we would not think of it that way because, again, they can change on a daily basis ... and one thing that has been consistent is that they are moving around. But if they were set, the import of goods from China would go up significantly. This would be a cost borne at first at the company level, and then the company would then have to decide, do we change where we get our imports from?

They could potentially choose to move that, supply chain. It's a very expensive and time intensive, or it takes a while, to do that. So we do think that would be unlikely. They could pass that on to the consumer, or they could eat into the margin, basically. So if they have a higher input costs, they could see weaker margins or lower margins as of that.

Or they could see if the consumer will … will have a higher price. These are generally inflationary. But as I think about this, you got to step back and look at it across all markets and you got to think about inflation more broadly. It's almost like a Facebook relationship status. It's complicated. Because with oil prices falling and we just got actually a CPI report for March, it came in very benign.

Only 0.1% on core CPI. And year over year it was 2.8% on core. That's the lowest since 2021. Headline CPI actually dipped 0.1%. And so lower oil prices are happening. Broader commodity prices are down. That's helping. And then the biggest wildcard on inflation isn't actually about us buying stuff from other parts of the world.

It's … it's actually housing. Housing … and they call it shelter in the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation readings. Shelter made up about two thirds of inflation last year. It's about 40% of core inflation just as a starting point. And then it was so big because the housing prices haven't slowed much. In terms of its size of gains.

So that's been the biggest driver inflation. If housing prices slow either from elevated mortgage rates, which we're seeing the least affordable housing market in the country … country's history, which is what we are at today. Or greater supply hitting the market. And we're seeing that in some of those hotspots like Florida. We think housing prices slow.

So, we actually don't see this inflationary backdrop that the markets are as concerned about. It doesn't mean that they can't scare the bond market. It doesn't mean they can't keep the Fed on hold because they're going to be waiting, waiting to see if it shows up. But in our view, the broader inflation picture is actually more disinflationary because nearly two-thirds of inflation is services. What the tariffs are really hitting is goods. That's a third. And the other sides with again falling gas prices or commodities in general. That's likely not to cause a big spike in inflation.

John P. Bryson
That's really helpful. Especially the part about the housing impact and how we're seeing good numbers posted and hopefully that continues. Hey, so let's talk about the additional impact. What impact do you see the tariffs situation. You know, it's causing generally uncertainty. How is that uncertainty impacting corporate earnings? How do you … walk me through the trickle effect.

Matthew D. Miskin
All right. So there's a lot of moving parts on this one. And so one of the anecdotal stories we're hearing from companies right now is actually panic buying. So companies are seeing an increase in demand. We've been calling this a pull-through end demand. And this had been happening. What seemed to be for weeks ahead of this, really after the election.
People were buying either cars or goods that they knew are being assembled in other parts of the world, are being shipped here. But that actually was even accelerated, just recently because, you know, the tariffs became more of a real prospect. So you could see actually earnings hold up a bit better because all of a sudden people are buying more stuff to get ahead of the tariffs, which creates better earnings because there's their margins are actually they can potentially raise prices.

The tariffs haven't really been fully felt on on the margins yet. So there's that piece. But then overall what we're seeing is this volatility is probably going to stop or diminish economic activity because investors or businesses, consumers are pausing. They're not either making that investment like they would or they're not buying that thing like they would, or a business is … is holding off on building a new thing because they're not sure of what to expect in terms of policy.

So what we've seen is that the analyst community that covers earnings and that provides kind of … forecasts. They started the year thinking it was going to be 15% earnings growth for 2025. That's now down to 11%. But that was actually chopped down before even the tariffs were introduced. And so there has been no further rerating in earnings estimates in the last week or so.

In our view, that's still optimistic. 11% growth to us, it would be … it would be awesome. I'm not saying, you know, it'd be good for stocks, but it does look optimistic. And we have earnings season coming up here in a couple days, for Q1. And everyone's going to be basically at the edge of their seat listening to CEO, CFOs say, hey, here's our new guidance.

The problem is they're pulling their guidance. They're saying, we don't … we don't even want to know or sorry. We want to know, but we … we don't know where this is going. And we're not going to give you much insight. It still can give you, though. Enough of a tell. And let's think about it like poker where … where you can kind of see you.

Can you get to play, the person playing the cards. And I think you're going to hear analysts start to write down some of the earnings estimates. The valuations have gotten cheaper. That's good. That's a great starting point in stocks. But we still have to find out how much earnings are going to be coming down over the course of 2025.

John P. Bryson
Okay. Now, in prior conversations with both you and Emily Roland, you have talked. I mean, you're talking stocks certainly here in the U.S. Focus on quality, quality earnings quality companies. Is that still the case? Any more, I guess, tweak to that commentary you'd add now.

Matthew D. Miskin
Yeah. So quality. You know, I don't like, saying, hey, this is what you've been talking about, and this is the worst performing part of the market. But unfortunately, that's what I've got to say here. So U.S. quality stocks are the worst performers within the U.S. equity market. So it's atypical that any sell off the companies with the best balance sheets, the best return on equity, the best profit margins are the ones that are sold off the most.

Now last year, quality did pretty well, momentum was better, and it was more of a mix of … kind of … high-flying stocks. Some of them weren't necessarily quality, but the fact that quality sold off the most means that quality got the cheapest out of all of them. And if anything, they've got the best fundamentals. And so that does not shake our call.

If anything, it makes it better in our view, in that you're getting quality on sale. You haven't gotten U.S. quality stocks on sale for much of the last …. well, really, 2022 was the last time and it was a great opportunity. We do have some value as well. I call it relative value. So kind of quality at a reasonable price.

We've been bar-belling those two things. And that value tilt at least has helped us, you know, mitigate some of the downside here. But if anything, the fact that quality has gone on sale, the valuations have gotten more attractive. We think it's going to be on a relative basis to global equities and just equities in general across cap or style. We think that actually opens up more of an opportunity for long-term investors.

John P. Bryson
Okay. And one more level deeper on the quality question, how much of that is correlated to quality tech versus, quality non-tech, if you will.

Matthew D. Miskin
Tech is a big part of it. There's no doubt. So quality factor … technology is a big part of that. They do typically have the best balance sheets … hundreds of billions of dollars. Cash on the balance. On the balance sheets, they typically have the best margins. They typically have the best return-on-equity. So tech is a big part of it.

There arehealth care companies, though. There's industrial companies, there's communication services companies, even some consumer discretionary companies. So it's broader based, But tech is the epicenter still. You know, to us, if if trade wars are something that's gonna be playing on the background, those companies that are more in the internet aren't going to be getting tariffs.

Now you could say, you know, if they're a hardware producer and they build in China, I get that at least that that could weigh on margins. They do typically have the best margins in in business. So the at least they're starting stronger. But what if these companies don't even have a symbol? If it's a software company or it's an internet company?

The tariffs, the fact that they all got sold off, even though they might not even get negatively impacted by tariffs, just shows you, that the baby was thrown out with the bathwater and that these companies are showing much cheaper valuations with probably much less of a hit on earnings. And that's again why we're saying, hey, this is … this is an increasingly attractive opportunity, for long-term investors.

John P. Bryson
Okay. The baby with the bathwater analogy was one that was rattling around in my head as you were talking. So I'm glad you brought that up. Hey, another … another topic that this is impacting is calls for or against a recession, right? One day we're hearing for calls … for others. it's swinging back. What's your take on the likelihood of a recession going forward, and how … how is that priced into the markets today?

Matthew D. Miskin
So the way we're looking at this is basically a very low-growth environment. Stepping back, the last several years, you've seen fiscal policy. That's usually government policy. That has been supportive to the economy. We saw student loan forgiveness to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. We saw generally continued stimulus post Covid that just kept going, from the Chips act, the Inflation Reduction Act, etc..

And so the government side had just been really supporting in every jobs report you saw nearly 50,000 new government jobs, prior … in the prior couple of years. And so every jobs report had a big influence or positive impact from government. That's all reversing. And then on top of that reversing, you do get just uncertainty. You do get volatility in markets, lack of confidence, all this other stuff.

And so we see and it's you know, it's interesting you saw the March … I was just going through this … the March economic data was awesome. The United States was actually in great shape in March. The PMIs were good. The jobs report beat, initial jobless claims were low, in the CPI report was just the icing on the cake with a nice low inflation number.

So we had good growth in soft inflation in March. And now, it looks like everything could change. So, you know, it's hard to call a recession with … with the hard data actually as of March showing the economy was doing great. But the markets are telling you that the recession odds are coming up. The bond market has not priced in a recession by any means right now.
The … the 10-year Treasury yield is basically up. Usually in recessions it down. High-yield spreads have wind up a bit, but still low in a historical context. And so to us, you know, it's one of these dilemmas where you're saying, okay, this is, you know, not … not terrible, but weaker growth. And what usually causes recessions, counterintuitively, isn't usually found within the economy.

It's found within the markets. You go back to 2000, it was actually, you know, whether it was MCI or Enron and then the stock market collapse. So fraud and then the stock market collapse in 2008, it was Lehman. It was mortgages. It was the housing market collapse. And now we're looking around and just trying to find out if there's a liquidity event.

That would be what could drive us into a recession. You know, the Treasury market was … was pretty volatile the last couple days. Equities have seen some pretty significant volatility. But it hasn't been enough yet per se to … to cause a recession. So our base case still is … is pretty weak modest growth. If the Fed could cut into this, that'd be great.

The problem is the Fed's still on hold. I'm sure we're going to get to the Fed. And so we're being patient and we're holding on to those higher-quality assets that usually do better in a weaker and weaker economic growth environment. And we think the … the macro regime has changed and the markets haven't really fully repriced that yet. And eventually though, we think that's going to come back, to these some of these high-quality, whether it's stocks or bonds.

John P. Bryson
Okay. Perfect. And … and you set me up. We've kind of seen the “Trump put” here. Questions will be out there around the Fed put. What … what are your thoughts on the Fed. And then I guess that I’d broaden it. What else haven't we covered that you think we need to make clients aware of.

Matthew D. Miskin
Yeah. So the Fed is in a really tough spot because the backdrop was one, you know, again, if inflation was slowing and economic growth was okay, that would have been actually a great thing for the Fed because they could have said, hey, we're going to cut some more, but we don't need to cut aggressively, and it's not going to make you too upset.

It's it's not an issue. It's just hey inflation's finally coming down. Now that we've got policy that could really or could show up in inflation. Maybe it doesn't, but the Fed doesn't know. So they've got to wait and they've got to wait. And this can cause them to call … it's called become behind the curve. Meaning that they are waiting and markets can move or the data or things could change.

And so the Fed's got to be patient. They probably have to look at number of CPI reports or inflation reports before feeling confident that inflation is coming down. Our view is that they're going to be on hold in the first half. They will be cutting in the second half and they might have to cut more than expected because they're waiting so long.

There's a time element and then there's a magnitude element. They're going to be probably waiting a bit to see if there's inflation. They have to wait for the hard data to show stuff, because the soft data hasn't given them really good signals. So they've got to, you know, I guess coming from around Boston, it's a Revolutionary War quote …

But, they're going to wait for the whites of the eyes of the data to really make a decision. And there's pros and cons with that. You don't make mistakes often if you wait that long. Because you know it. I guess. But there can be something that happens where you wait too long and then it's hard to catch up.

And so it is a challenging backdrop. But again, we do think lower rates are in store for this economy and market over time. We just got to be patient.

John P. Bryson
Okay. Got it. So Matt kind of put a bow on this. You know, obviously there's a lot of uncertainty in the marketplace and it's changing every day. You're out talking to clients. What are you recommending that clients do right now. And is there any silver lining that we're not thinking about, that we should be sharing with investors?

Matthew D. Miskin
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of bad news that has hit in the last week or two, and I think the bad news is pretty well known. Here's just some positives to consider. So one, the U.S. dollar is a lot weaker. The dollar just can't even get a bid. It's now down 6% for the year. Weaker dollar usually translates into better foreign revenues.

It can add liquidity to markets. It … it's generally beneficial. So dollar weaker, another one. Oil prices have plummeted. Oil prices are about $59 a barrel right now. Lower oil prices. And we often hear this stagflation risk. So stagflation is basically inflation up and the unemployment rate up. So the jobs market's weaker. And yet we're still getting inflation.

That is that's kind of like the worst case scenario. Stagflation historically speaking doesn't last long. And it usually is something that … just if the unemployment picture is worse, it's hard to have inflation because people are just not going to buy it. But if commodity prices spiked, that would be bad news. That would be stagflation. Very. Commodity prices have tumbled as of late.

That's disinflationary. That is going to reduce some of the input costs. So that's also good news. You know, I'd say otherwise, the good news is a bit more limited. But what we're, you know, thinking more broadly in terms of what to do now, we're not actually advocating much of a move. We made one change going into the second quarter.

And this was actually before all this. But we are more neutral on U.S. large cap. We're still overweight mid cap. And what we did was we said, in terms of a call was, you know, looking at some of this equity allocation and can we find income-producing assets that give us equity-like returns. But with lower risk profiles?

And so high yield is a place that we don't live within bonds. But relative to equities, high yield can be interesting. It is something that provides nearly an 8% yield. So that could actually be pretty competitive longer term for now for the equity market. It typically has a lower drawdown and a lower standard deviation than stocks.

And I know, you know, days like yesterday where the market's up 10% and high yields up 2% to 3%, it doesn't feel as good. But high yield was down a lot less than stocks. And over time, yields and income likely becomes a bigger driver of portfolio returns. So being thoughtful about managing risk, how can you turn capital appreciation that you used to receive into an income-producing asset? And that would be one of the ideas, to consider for portfolios.

John P. Bryson
Matt, you've brought some great insight in … you've brought, balanced point of view on what's going on in the world today. If I reflect back, you know, I try to be a market, a student of the market and a student of investor behavior. And we've gone through crises before, and we've made it out the other side.

I think in situations like this, couple things that help: Take a pause, don't invest emotionally, talk to your financial advisor, your trusted, resources to get a different point of view, and stay the course more often than not. With the … if your goals have been changed, we can … we can navigate this volatility. Staying the course is quite often the best approach.

Matt, I know you're all over this. I know you're going to be sharing videos and insight. It's going to be on our website at investments.com. It's going to be available on LinkedIn. If folks follow you, it's Matthew underscore Miskin. If you don't, please listen. And as always, keep coming back to John … to Manulife, John Hancock gor more and more insights on our website, we share a number of different, points of view on investing business building ideas. And as always with the podcast, we're going to give you up-to-date information that you can put to good use. Matt, thanks for joining us, everybody. Thanks for dialing in. We'll talk to you soon.

John P. Bryson

Hello and welcome to the Portfolio Intelligence Podcast. I'm your host, John Bryson, head of an investment consulting and education savings at Manulife| John Hancock Investments. Today is March 8 and that means it’s International Women's Day. To celebrate that, I've invited two women―top … not two internationally known women, but two that are known to rock the microphone to the podcast to talk to us about financial services and women's impact there. First, we have, Kathleen Pritchard, director of practice management at Manulife John Hancock Investments, and Megan Hopps, divisional sales manager at Manulife John Hancock Investments. Ladies, welcome to the podcast.

Megan Hopps

Thanks for having us, John.

John P. Bryson

You got it. I'm excited. Hey, Megan, I'm going to start with you, and I want to talk about the marketplace. What are some of the key trends in asset management that indicate the growing importance of women as investors and decision makers?

Megan Hopps

Yeah, I appreciate that question. It's … it's a really good topic to to discuss and becomes more and more important each year. So I believe that women are a major economic force. They influence about 80% of consumer spending, which shows their importance as decision makers in each household. It's an interesting topic that we talk about frequently with financial advisors and also because women typically live longer than men, so they will end up inheriting the majority of the wealth in the world.

Right now, actually, women control about $10 trillion in assets, but that is expected to reach $30 trillion by 2030, which is only five years away. That ends up being about two-thirds of the nation's wealth. Now, I read something recently, a few years back, in the Family Wealth Advisors Council, where it showed that there are more women billionaires than ever before. Their collective wealth is about $913 billion. So a lot of opportunity out there as women as decision makers.

John P. Bryson

I think it brought some stats. I'm going to have to fact check my own family stats because I don't think I make 20% of the decisions in a family with three women. I'll have to find out. But good stuff. Great start there. Hey, Kathleen, bringing you into the conversation. Can you … can you share some demographics around women investors that maybe financial advisors should be aware of when they're thinking about how to tailor their services to this market?

Kathleen Pritchard

Yeah, sure John, that's a great question. And there's really a lot of exciting news here. Women have really made enormous strides in so many different areas. For example, let's start off by talking about education. More women are now graduating from college than men. Let me just repeat that. More women are now graduating from college than men. So today, 58% of bachelor's degrees, 61% of master's degrees, and 55% of doctoral degrees are earned by women.

And you can really walk around any college campus and you're likely going to see this change. And this education will lead to more gains in business, politics, and investing. So let's talk about business for just a minute. Today, women are starting 47% of all new businesses in the United States, and they actually own already 39% of the businesses in the U.S., generating 1.8 trillion annually.

And in corporate America, women hold over 30% of board seats today. And we've also seen an increase―it's not where it needs to be―but we haven't seen an increase of 27% in the number of women in the top 1,000 executive positions in the Fortune 100 companies. That's really since 1980. Now, when it comes to politics, we see women in politics all over the country and local politics and national politics.

We have women mayors in 33 of the 100 largest U.S. cities. They actually comprise over 33% of state legislators. They hold 28.7% of the seats in Congress and 26% of the seats in the U.S. Senate. We also have 13 female governors and 33 female lieutenant governors. And through 2024, we actually have had 66 women who've held a total of 74 different cabinet positions.

And finally, of course, we have had our first female vice president and we have had two female major party candidates, although they didn't succeed in breaking that glass ceiling. So I think then when it comes to investing, and Megan just talked about the wealth that women are controlling and that they're expected to control, but we also see that when it comes to investing behavior―today, 30% more married women are making investment decisions than just five years ago.

So all in all, just some really impressive progress when it comes to women across all aspects of life in America. And as Megan said, women are really a force to be reckoned with, and it's really important that financial advisors understand that.

John P. Bryson

Yeah. It's great. Again, some great stats and … and a force to be reckoned with. I love to hear that. Hey, Megan, the primary audience for our podcast is financial advisors. What communication strategies have you found as you're out talking to advisors and clients? What strategies are most effective in engaging women clients, and how did that … how might that differ from engaging a male client?

Megan Hopps

Yep. I believe that the best communication strategy really revolves around increasing a woman's confidence and doing that by educating them on investing, helping them, and teaching them how to help reach their goals. So I think back to my own family, you know, when I was a kid, my grandmother and mother knew nothing about investing. I didn't learn much as a kid or even throughout college.

My foundation really came when I joined this industry in 2003. So, the earlier you can teach your … your family, your friends, your clients to invest or more about investing and the importance of financial literacy I would encourage you to do that.

Megan Hopps

When it comes to communication, it really starts with an understanding of … of who the client is, what's important to them, and building that personal connection. An advisor once shared with me that it's the BLT factor, which stands for you must believe, like, and trust that individual. And I believe that trust is only built over time and consistency. I'm a huge believer that empathy and transparent … transparency matters when you think about communication style.

So when I think about overall communication and in a strategy that helps women achieve their goals, it should really be focused around financial security, financial independence, and helping them hit their goals. And then of course, investing according to their values. So that’s how I view it.

John P. Bryson

Love it. I love the, you know, increasing women's and even kids confidence in financial markets. It can be a little scary, but if you put it in a little bit of work, you can get, get more and more comfortable.

And I love the, you know, you must be believable, likable and trustable. The BLT factor. That's great stuff. Thank you. All right, Kathleen, coming to you, speaking with the financial advisors, how can financial advisors build trust in long-term relationships with women clients that might have some different financial goals and concerns? Kind of what, Megan had said.

Kathleen Pritchard

Exactly. I want to follow up on the comments that Megan just made because that's an important part of building trust. But I think it's really important that financial advisors get to know their women clients as well as they know their male clients. So here's what I mean. They need to understand what's important to them, what their values are, what their goals are.

And when I talk to financial advisors, I always ask, how well do you know your women clients? Do you have an understanding of how they grew up? Do you know where they went to school? Do you know about their careers and their professional successes? What about other contributions that they may have made or are making in society, such as philanthropic efforts?

What's their relationship with their children, with their parents? With other family members? What do they do in their free time? What are their hobbies? What are the things that they love? You know, research shows that women value the need for expert advice more highly than men do, which is really great news for financial advisors. They actually prefer to work with a financial advisor rather than to DIY their investments in financial planning.

And it's also important to understand that when women ask for advice, they're more likely to be referring to goals-based wealth advice to help them meet their goals. And one thing that I just want to share, you know, I've been in this business 39 years and have had many sit downs with financial advisors as a client, and I cannot tell you how many times I was dismissed in those meetings, and how my husband would look at that financial advisor and say, you're talking to the wrong person.

You need to be talking to her. And they would turn to me and they'd say, oh, so, Kathleen, what do you do? And I would start laughing and say, you might have wanted to ask that first. So, I don't think it's intentional. It's just longstanding habit. So I really, really encourage financial advisors to get to know their women clients. It's so critical.

John P. Bryson

I think that's great insight. From the investment consultant team, we talk a lot about goals, but we probably don't spend enough time talking about values. We talk a lot about, the “what we do.” But we encourage advisors just talk about the “why,” “why do we do it” with your clients. And I think that fits in really well.

Be a better listener than a talker would probably be the third thing I would say that all of us could benefit from. So great advice there. Okay, Kathleen, I'm going to, pivot back to you in a minute, but I want to come back to Megan here and talk about specific financial products. Megan, are there any specific financial products or services that are particularly appealing to women investors, and how wouldn't advise you go about kind of presenting those ideas?

Megan Hopps

Yeah, Jonathan, answer that question, but I want to before I answer that question, I want to go back to what Kathleen said because I think those questions that she brought up were really important. And what I mean by that is I can't reiterate enough to do, you know, the discovery questions when you're speaking to a female, female prospect or client.

And what I mean by that is it sounds like common sense, but it's uncommon in practice to actually ask those questions. Everybody knows that they should do it, but no one actually does it … is what I find out there. So when they do do it, it's very rare. And it is noticed as a differentiator to … to women as clients and prospects.

But back to your question. I know you asked about product and customization and anything that would be particularly appealing to female or women investors. The way I think about it is … I really don't believe that there's any specific product that might be more appealing or different for a man versus a woman, but I do believe that, you know, a personalized strategy is the best approach.

Depending on that individual individual's risk, time horizon, and risk tolerance. Statistically, though, on average, women tend to trade less than men about 45% less, and tend to be more conservative and diversified. I find that women prioritize long-term stability. They prioritize security over short-term gains, and this tended … tends to lead to outperformance over the long term.

Another thing to take note of is that women tend to be very loyal and follow the advice given to them when they're given a personalized strategy.

John P. Bryson

I love how we focused on what women are doing right and what not, what men are doing wrong, because we could have quite a deep conversation on that. So thank you.

Megan Hopps

We're keeping it positive, John.

John P. Bryson

I love it. Hey, Kathleen, I said I was coming back to you. I want to talk a little bit about some of the unique financial challenges that women face and how … how can advisors help them overcome those challenges.

Kathleen Pritchard

That's a great question, because we've spent a lot of time talking about all of the strides that women have made over recent decades, but women still have a unique set of challenges. And I think the biggest one is the wage gap, the income gap. So today, on average, unfortunately, we still have a significant wage gap. Women earning $0.82 on the dollar for every dollar a man earns.

However, the positive news is it used to be $0.65 back in 1982. So we are getting better with this wage gap. There's … there's really two primary reasons why this can happen. The first is that many women are still taking time off to raise a family and or take care of an aging parents. In fact, according to Bloomberg, for each child a woman has, her income can decrease by 4%.

And although it's starting to change, many women may choose a career in an industry that doesn't pay as much. But despite that, there's still some great news out there. So today, 45% of women make as much as their spouse, or they are the primary breadwinner at home. And I will tell you on the street that I lived on before I moved to Tennessee, I would say that 75% of the women on our street were the breadwinners and the men were stay at home parents, and that was so shocking at first.

But this is becoming more and more common. So another really important challenge that women face today is that only 41% of women in the U.S. feel confident in investing. And now it's interesting because women frequently respond with, I don't know, to financial questions, which actually shows a lack of confidence, not a lack of knowledge, because when you dig deeper, you often find out they do know.

They just weren't confident in their answer. And that's despite the fact that 67% of women are investing outside of their retirement plans. So I really believe that financial advisors play a critical role when it comes to educating the women clients on investing and wealth management issues.

John P. Bryson

Yes, I think it's great that we're closing the gap, and I think it's great that women aren't overconfident. It's something we see so often in financial services that people are overconfident with the decisions they make. I wish they were more confident, but I'm glad they're not overconfident, is … is my point. Hey, Megan, back to you again. Talking about, your interactions with financial advisors. What type of events have you seen be successful?

John P. Bryson

Kind of engaging women? When it comes to the investment world.

Megan Hopps

I've participated in an a number of successful events over the years. I would say that some of my favorites … they've revolved around either Women's History Month, which … which is in March, which is right now, or around Mother's Day. One in particular, they named it Women Sharing Wisdom and this financial advisor decided to bring as many generations, so roughly three generations at times, or mother daughter, different types of friendships throughout women.

Basically, it was a group of about 30 women in the room, and it was nice to see multiple families with different generations there. And what they did is they asked each woman to share the best piece of advice given to them by another woman. And although it sounds really simple, it was one of the most moving, inspirational events that I've ever been a part of which I thought was pretty neat.

I've been a part of, women's events where it was a focus around longevity and what they did is they ended up inviting in a panel of experts. So they got a CAP-certified contractor which really focuses on, contracting work or renovations that help you age in your home that included a long-term care expert, a social security expert, an estate-planning attorney, and a sleep specialist.

So that was pretty interesting. In the last about year, year and a half, I've heard one or two advisors, but I think that this is becoming significantly more popular, do events for women targeted around the ages of 40 to 60, around peri- and menopausal health coaches and teaching women or coaching women on how to live a happier, healthier life through that stage of life, which I thought was something different.

I've never seen that before, but it's gained quite a bit of popularity, all in the last year or so, and I'm seeing a lot more conversation around that topic. And then the last few I'd add … and there's 529 plans or education events. I would say that bringing in a college counselor, or a 529 specialist, we've had pretty, pretty strong success with, especially when the kids are somewhere between the ages of 5 to 18 years old, just helping inform and educate families on what that process looks like.

I would say another piece to throw in there no matter what type of event. You know, I've seen events really large, really small. I find that the ones that women open up more when it's more intimate, and it's on the smaller side. So roughly between 10 and 30 women in the room. I feel like women tend to open up and share a little bit more information with that size.

John P. Bryson

So a couple things that popped out to me. You know, we're the sandwich generation and a lot of times it falls on the women to kind of be the caretaker for both the younger and the older generations. You mentioned right in there, kind of preparing for that for themselves and for the generations whether it's you got to make renovations at home, you get to plan differently for longer, life spans, etc..

So that's … that's really powerful and interesting stuff. And I never thought about the smaller, more intimate events. They go a long way. We know that as professionals, the smaller, more intimate events go a long way. Taking that even further with women's great insight. Hey, Megan, I want to stay with you. You need to think through the role, the advisor, and how they interact.

What's the role of networking in terms of reaching more women clients? And how can advisors leverage referrals from existing female clients?

Megan Hopps

That's a great question. So I think women are natural networkers. And what I find, at least amongst the women that I talk to is they're very open to giving referrals. If they they've got the BLT factor with their financial advisor, if they've got a great relationship with them, they are more than happy to share their name with their network.

I always find that, you know, when I talk to financial advisors about asking for referrals, sometimes they can feel a little bit awkward. But I do believe that if you have a genuine relationship with that client, I would frame it in a way where you can say something along the lines of, you know, I really enjoy working with you, Mrs. Hopps.

I would love your advice on how I find more clients like you. So that way you're not asking for the referral, you're asking for the advice, and the client doesn't feel like they have the ownership. That if if the person they were for doesn't work out, they're not responsible since they're just asking for advice. So that's one way I've seen it be successful in the past, I would say.

Another way that I've seen it successful is that when you do get a referral in from another client, giving a small gift or a small token to the person that referred the new client, but not just doing it on your own. I'll give you an example by that, John. I say if Mary referred, call it Joan.

The advisor would go to Joan, who's the new client and say, you know, I'm really grateful that Mary introduced us. I want to do something nice for her, but I'm sure that you know Mary on a different level than what I do. I was thinking about doing x, y, or Z, but I'd love your thoughts on what you think she'd enjoy most.

And that way, you get to learn something about Mary on a different level than what you may already know. But then also Joan knows that how much you appreciate the referral and that maybe that if she referred someone that you know, she might get something nice in return as well. So I've seen that be successful. As well as a tactic to … to try to get more referrals and to network with … with more women.

John P. Bryson

And I think we all know instinctively people like to do favors for each other. People like to give advice, you know, they feel like they're contributing. So those are great ways to do that. Kathleen, got a question for you. We look at the biggest opportunities going forward. What do you think they are for financial advisors to expand their business with women clients? And how should they prepare for these types of opportunities?

Kathleen Pritchard

Well, John, that's a great question. And one of the statistics that's really shocking to most people is that 94% of women will have sole responsibility for their finances at some point in their lives. That's nine out of 10 women right there. Why does that happen? Well, it happens a lot of times because of widowhood. As an example, we know that women have longer life expectancies than men, but it also can happen because of divorce.

It can happen because more and more people are choosing to stay single. And we do know that, you know, for divorce, when it comes to marriages, 20% of marriages fail in five years, 53% in 10. And if over 50, one in four are divorced. So we've been talking about this need to build relationships with women clients for over 30 years that I've been in this business, but we haven't seen a lot of progress.

In fact, research tells us that 70% of widowed women will switch financial advisors within one year of their husband's death. So what does that tell you? I mean, the real bottom line here is that women are already controlling significant wealth. As we've talked about. They're expected to control the majority of wealth in this country by 2030. They're becoming better educated than men.

They're beginning to earn as much or outearn their partners, many even becoming the primary breadwinner. So it's really critical that if a financial advisors going to be successful, they need to be successful with women if they want their practice to continue to succeed. And I think that is one of the most important messages.

John P. Bryson

That's a great way to close. Kathleen, I appreciate that. I'm going to ask one more question of both of you though. There is so much good information here, so many good insight. How can our advisors learn a little bit more? Where is the best place to start?

Kathleen Pritchard

So, I'll take that one. We have a great program called Women, Wealth and Wisdom that is very robust. It is actually having 107 slides. Don't let that freak you out. But the way it's designed is that there's an up front section on women today that's meant to empower women. And then there's actually nine available case studies that dig into wealth management issues.

And they're not fluff. They actually dig deep into these wealth management and financial planning issues. And each case study has at least one, if not multiple, checklists and worksheets that go with it. And once again, these worksheets and checklists are very robust. I'll give you an example. One of the case studies is caring for aging parents and the longevity planning checklist that goes with that is nine pages long.

So that is a great program where you can call on your John Hancock business consultant to deliver that program for your women prospects and clients. And then, of course, we also have investment education and investment education is really critical as well. And it's really critical for the financial advisor to be able to provide that for … for their prospects and clients.

So we have presentations obviously on 5/29 we have something called 10 things that we investors should know about investing. That's really sort of your investment 101. We have a program called History Lessons that really looks at investing through the lens of history. So we have a lot of different resources, and including seminars on Medicare and Social Security and successful businesses, a lot of different, types of client seminars that you can use and leverage from us. And then I'm sure also, you know, your other investment management partners have resources like that as well.

Megan Hopps

I'll add in there. I thought that was really well said. Kathleen. I'll just say, add in there by reaching out to your business consultant. That's local in your territory, you'll be able to get access to all of the programs that Kathleen mentioned.

John P. Bryson

Thank you both. Great insight for joining us today. Really appreciate it. To the advisor audience, our audience, our goal of this podcast is to help you build better outcomes for your clients and a better practice for yourselves. I think what we talked about today goes a long, long way. If you're … if you need to track it down, all this information is available at jhinvestments.com.

And I just want to wish everybody, a wonderful, International Women's Day. And thanks for listening.